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tv   Anderson Cooper 360  CNN  September 19, 2016 10:00pm-11:01pm PDT

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good evening. we begin tonight with late
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developments. after three days of violence that leaves new york, new jersey, and the country on edge, certainly the country and city breathing a sigh of relief. a pipe bomb goes off saturday morning on the jersey shore. that evening, a pressure cooker bomb explodes in the chelsea area of manhattan sending 29 to the hospital. and police found another bomb not far from there packed with ball bearings made to maim and kill. sunday night, five bombs found near the suspect's home and one goes off as a police robot tries to disarm. and then this morning, the suspect is caught, captured and wounded. today, ahmad khan rahami is under arrest and facing a string of very serious charges. in just a few minutes, an exclusive interview you won't want to miss, with man many would call a hero. he saw the alleged bomber, made the call that led to his
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capture. first, our cnn's pamela brown and evan perez are working their sources and all the angles, including a hand-written note, found with the unexploded pressure cooker bomb here in new york. let's start with pamela brown. the suspect traveled to afghanistan and pakistan in recent years. how much do we know about those trips? >> so right now, anderson, investigators are scrutinizing his travels overseas, to see if he may have been radicalized while there. we have learned that in the last few years, he went to afghanistan, the country where he was born, and the taliban stronghold of pakistan. a longtime official said he married his wife in 2011 while in pakistan and returned to pakistan for an entire year from 2013 to 2014. the official says after that, or during his time, he filled out paperwork for his wife to come to the u.s. it was approved. he later contacted a new jersey congressman in 2014, saying he was having issues getting his wife to the u.s. she apparently had become pregnant and couldn't get her immigration visa until after she had the baby. we don't know, anderson, if she ever came to the u.s., but she's certainly someone officials want to speak with. >> was he on law enforcement's radar?
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so we're told at this point that he wasn't on law enforcement's radar, as a suspected terrorist. in fact, both times, when he returned from pakistan and afghanistan, in 2011 and 2014, he underwent secondary screening, because of where he had traveled to, and both times, he told immigration officials that he was just visiting family. and apparently gave satisfactory answers that didn't raise any red flags, so he wasn't placed on any terror watch list. of course, that is something officials are going back and reviewing. >> joining us now, evan perez, who's learning more about how the bombs were made and the notes found with them. what about this handwritten note? >> this handwritten note, anderson, was found with the unexploded pressure cooker bomb on 27th street. it appears to have contained some ramblings that make reference to previous terrorists, and that includes the boston bombers. so right now, investigators are analyzing this note. it may indicate some kind of motive, motivation for why he did these things. the other thing, obviously, is
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the fact that these were pressure cooker bombs, which were similar to the bombs that were used in boston. >> and yet, based on your reporting, you've learned some of the ingredients of these bombs are actually more powerful than potentially those in boston. >> yeah, potentially more powerful. it was inside a pressure cooker. it included ball bearings and bbs. it was definitely intended to maim and kill. it included aluminum nitrate and an explosive that we don't normally encounter in these types of cases. we've seen tatp, a close relative in the paris attacks and other attacks. hmte was used in the 2005 london bombings, and that raises concerns among authorities. investigators believe there's some know-how that he obtained in how to make this explosive. there are some recipes on the internet that you can use to make this. they are really looking at the bigger picture, including his travel to afghanistan, his
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family was just mentioning, and pakistan. it really raises a concern that perhaps he may have gotten some kind of bomb training. especially because you look at the fact there were at least two different types the of devices that he made here. >> and of course, did he actually practice? did he do dry runs? would anybody have been involved in that? do authorities at this point know of any other connections two other people or groups? >> well, they don't. but you know, the back of the minds is still the possibility that someone might have helped him, someone might have helped him either pay for some of these explosives, helped them in you couldn't canning some of the dry runs, perhaps. they do believe that he was the only bomber, the only bomb maker in this case, but there's still a great deal of investigative work to be done. >> evan perez, the one -- there were two people seen on surveillance camera, right? who were those two people and are they connected? >> this is the bomb, the unexploded bomb on 27th street. they do see him wielding a duffel bag and he leaves it
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behind. these two people come, not clear who they are, and they pick up the bag, they open it, and they take out what becomes, what is the bomb, and they leave it on the sidewalk. they take the bag. authorities have not found those people. they haven't been able to find them. they would love to interview them, they, at this point, do not believe they had anything to do with this. perhaps they were thieves. they were homeless people who picked up the bags. >> there are plenty of people, sadly, who go through garbage and take things from garbage because they need stuff or are looking for stuff. >> they would definitely like to talk to these folks because they would like to know whether or not there's any association. and that's one of the reasons why they initially had this view of perhaps a larger cell at work here. at this point, they don't believe that, but they certainly would love to talk to those folks. >> amazing, though, they could have blown themselves up, taking out a pressure cooker. >> and investigators believe that perhaps just by picking up the bomb and, you know, throwing it on the sidewalk, they may have disturbed the bomb and prevented it from functioning. >> wow, that wouldn't even -- incredible. evan, thanks very much for the reporting. i want to bring in the panel, assistant homeland security
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secretary, julia kayyem, cnn intelligence and security analyst, robert baer, a former cia officer, and with me here, cnn terrorism analyst, paul cruickshank, co-author of "inside al qaeda and the cia." bob, you say even though the suspect was not successful in detonating all the devices, just the way they were constructed, you believe, puts them in a different category. how so? >> well, exactly. hmtd is not easy to make. yes, the formula is on the internet. i've been in a london safe house for the 2005 bombings there and a chemist walked me through this. very difficult, very unsafe. your hair gets bleached if you don't know how to vent the chemical. it's just not something you pick up off the internet. you know, and the fact that he used this as an initiator tells me that he either got training or got help. there's really nothing in between. same goes for the pipe bombs. you simply cannot put gun powder in a pipe bomb and screw the top on and expect this thing to go
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off. especially with a cell phone timer. so we're seeing a bit of sophistication and don't be fooled by the fact that he executed this attack in a very cluesy way and got caught so quick. that's something else i can't explain, but the explosives, you look in totally, and we've got a problem there. he had some assistance somewhere along the line, if just training. >> you do acknowledge, bob, someone who's worked with the cia, his tradecraft, if you will, was pretty weak? i mean, he's on surveillance video going from one location to the other. he's caught sleeping in -- outside a doorway of a bar. and we'll hear from the bar owner in just a moment who made the call to the police. >> oh, absolutely. the fact that just one person put the bomb down in three locations in elizabeth, as well, it tells me he was acting on his own. at least he didn't have assistance, somebody driving there. we just don't have evidence to that, but nonetheless, there are
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parts of this operation that are fairly sophisticated, which someone who, you know, gets up one day just can't effect this bomb making. and there was a lot of it. and most of these people, frankly, get their hands blown off if they're amateurs and he didn't, obviously, made a lot of bombs and two of them, three of them went off. >> paul, for you, the ingredients of this bomb are very important, just as they are for bob and for evan? >> yeah, the fact that there's aluminum powder, it's the primary detonator, that would detonate that main charge. i've been speaking to explosive experts today. they say that you're talking about an explosive device significantly potentially more powerful than the boston devices. this could have caused real carnage, especially if it fully detonated in two possible locations on the streets of manhattan. and hmtv, as bob was saying, that's tricky to make. it requires experimentation, often.
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i can only think of one or two cases in a decade or so where an islamist terrorist in the west has managed to do that without getting the training overseas. there was a case in 2008 in the uk, somebody who had managed to build a suicide device off the internet, but those are very, very rare cases. and given that internal travel we're now finding about to places like qatar and pakistan, a taliban stronghold, one of the primary focuses of the investigation right now is did he link up with an overseas terrorist group, could it have been al qaeda or the pakistani taliban, the pakistani taliban being the group that directed the times square bomber to launch a car bomb attack here in new york city in 2010. >> you know, juliette, i keep thinking about, you know, when you and i were covering the bombings in boston, the marathon, there was so much discussion of, did those brothers or did one of the brothers, you know, have connections overseas. he had spent time overseas, i think it was in the caucus
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regions, and as far as i remember, if memory serves me correct, it was never proven that he had any formal training in bomb-making, in building a pressure cooker bomb. >> that's exactly right. and i think -- i think we just don't know yet. it seems to me, at least in terms of biography, that the radicalization process was relatively recent. people had noticed a change in his physique and a growing anger. we don't know exactly what that was related to. but other similarities with what we saw in boston. one is, as bob was alluding to, sophisticated planning, no exit strategy. i mean, he didn't want to get killed. that seems clear to us, because he left things behind. but these guys seem to think that people are just sitting around not caring when this happens. it was a bad news story that you barely blinked and the guy is now under custody. part of that is the use of technology by law enforcement to essentially crowd source investigations now.
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we cannot underestimate how unique that is for the fbi and the new york police department, which used to keep things very close hold. so i think that is a good use of technology to try to thwart a much more nimble threat these days. >> when you talk about the use of technology to crowd source, what do you mean, specifically? >> well, so, basically, once they have the identification, they knew who he was, they didn't know where he was. but they probably knew that he also wasn't going to go down peacefully. by sending the text alert out to the new york area, they engage the public in the search, and basically giving cnn and other networkings the picture, that is ultimately how he was found. so this wasn't your sort of quiet manhunt where they were looking for him. they essentially said, help us look for him, and that's exactly what happened. the challenge is, as new york -- the police department found and part of this is our antiquated communications system, they weren't able to attach a picture.
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that's something that needs to be fixed in this day and age. >> juliette kayyem, bob baer, thanks. up next, we'll talk to witnesses to the shooting, including the one who took this video, and we'll speak to the man who spotted the suspect and brought his reign of terror to an end. he saw the guy's picture on cnn online and realized the guy he had just had an interaction with in the alcove of his bar was this suspected terrorist and he called police. also tonight, breaking news on the attacks in a mall in minnesota. late word on survivors and what to make of isis' claim of responsibility. people want power. and power plants account for more than a third of energy-related carbon emissions. the challenge is to capture the emissions before they're released into the atmosphere. exxonmobil is a leader in carbon capture. our team is working to make this technology better,
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shoot-out with police in linden, new jersey. there are several apartments and houses in the area where the shoot-out happened. here's what it sounded like. [ gunfire ] [ bleep ] [ gunfire ] >> that video was shot by david ayers. he joins me now. david, i understand you were working in your auto shop when this all happened. what did you see? what did you hear? >> we were basically standing on the corner, which is like kind of behind me, just hanging out, talking to the local business guys, like we do all the time. we're real close around this area. one of my employees saw someone running up the street. he noticed him.
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he immediately said he had a gun. you know, we looked around thinking, that's just crazy or whatever. next thing you know, he dips behind one of the volkswagens over by pegasus, which is over here, and then they're exchanging shots, you know, we're running, we're looking for some cover. we're sticking the video camera out, because nobody wants to stand in the line of fire or anything. it was pretty surreal, to be honest with you. >> it's got to be. derek, i understand you were across the street in another auto shop working when you heard the shots. can you walk me through what you saw? did you actually see the suspect running? >> yeah, i had heard the first two gunshots go off, which i now hear were the shots made at the police officers here in linden, and i left my office coming down the street, and i'd seen the cops going after him, and him running down the street towards dave's shot, hometown tire and auto. and a lot of shots were exchanged and eventually they obviously took him down.
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>> and i -- looks like we just lost the feed. this could have been a hostage situation like that. lindhen pd had this man under control and down and the threat gone before it was even a threat. before you knew what was happening. i'd like to thank the linden pd for helping everyone to feel safe. we felt really safe when they came around here. >> i am glad you did that. the response by law enforcement in the area is incredible. >> police officers, in general, they are our heros. let's not forget that. >> what do you think when you heard the shots fired? did you it this it was connected to the bombings over the weekend or something else? >> the craziest thing, anderson, is the first thing you think, now days is that terrorism?
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it's sad to even say that? but, yeah, of course i thought that. because it's in the news, it's on your facebook feeds. it's everywhere you're looking. but now it's right in my backyard and it became really real for us today. >> and i understand you actually know one of the police officers who were shot, angel padilla. >> angel, yes. he's -- angel is a very good friend of ours. good customer, quality person. never does not wear his vest, thank god he was wearing his vest. thank god. my heart goes out to him. he's a true hero. >> yeah, because from what i understand, he was, you know, a couple of feet away, six feet or so away, according to one eyewitness i talked to earlier -- >> yeah -- >> it could have been much worse. >> yeah, point-blank, really, could have totally been much worse. but he acted like any of these great police in our country would act, selfless. >> yeah, every day, do what they do. derek, what goes through your mind when you think back. it all happened so fast. when you think about it now, what goes through your mind?
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>> kind of like dave said. it comes to a shock to us. so close to home. we're a close-knit community. hearing what happened in seaside and elizabeth and new york, to actually see it, it really comes to a shock. the braver of the linden police department and all of the police across the country that put themselves before us to keep us safe. it's absolutely incredible. it's absolutely incredible. really, i'm just shocked we got to see it firsthand. i'm glad nobody was killed today. >> thank god. thank god. >> my heart goes out to the police officers that were there at the scene when it happened. two of them that were hit. i understand angel is now leaving the hospital -- >> we just heard he's leaving the hospital. >> we heard that too. >> yeah. >> it's incredible. >> i think the other officer is going to be held overnight, but thank goodness, they're going to be okay. derek, david, thank you so much for taking the time.
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it's been a crazy day for you, i know. >> thank you, anderson. appreciate the time, thank you. up next, another firsthand account. this is an extraordinary one. an exclusive interview with the man a lot of folks are calling a hero. citizen who saw the alleged bomber and made the call to police that led to that cob frontation and capture. great grains cereals are made fromreal fruit,clusters, wholesome nuts and crunchy flakes. good things come together to make one great thing.
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well, harinder bains has had quite a day. he called the police after picture in his bar.pect's he had seen the suspect's picture on cnn. i spoke to him earlier. mr. bains, thanks for being with us and for what you did. take me through what happened. you saw this guy sleeping in the doorway of your bar this morning. what happened next? did you instantly recognize him? >> around 9:00 in the morning, i went in front of my bar and he was leaning towards the door and the door was a little cracked, you know, the glass panel, so i just told him, hey, buddy, you're going to get hurt, this door is cracked. he just looked towards the door crack and said, oh, i'm sorry, i'll move to the other side. so he was on the left side, and he just moved his hoodie and
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just moved to the right side of the building. so i just left, because it was raining very hard, and i just ran back to my store, because i have a store just across the street from the bar. and that's the time when i saw his face, when he moved his hoodie, it like kind of shocked me, because i was watching cnn on my laptop and you guys have his picture on your site, like a pip, you know, on the site. so i said, this guy looked similar, like, very familiar to same -- like the same guy, you know? and then i got a little busy in the store, and then i was still wondering, like, is he the same guy? is he the same guy, i'm just thinking. and then my friend, he has a trucking repair shop. he came to my store. his name is vinnie, i said, did you see that guy lounging around in the back? he said, yeah. i said, look at this photo, he looks exactly like this guy,
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except the mustache, but he looks like him, it's the same gim. he said, are you sure? i said, yes. he said, then, let's call the cops. so i was about to call 911, then he said, no, i have the number for the linden cops, so we should call them. and that's when i called the cops, you know? >> and how quickly did the police arrive? >> because i just -- i didn't tell them that this is the guy you're looking for them. if you would have said that, maybe they would have been there in a minute. but i just told them that the guy looks a little suspicious and you have to look, it doesn't look good to me. she said, what do you mean by, doesn't look good to you. is he dead or -- no, he's alive, but he doesn't look good. he's like, you have to send somebody to check it out, you know? so i think the cops came within five minutes. and i was just waiting for the cops, because at that point --
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by that point of time, i was like speaking to me again and again, this is the guy, this is guy. >> the you were more sure than ever? >> yeah, yeah, i was watching across street from the bar, and the first cop rolls in, he just looks at him, he's still sleeping, his hoodie is pulled over his head, and then when the second cop pulled in and he just pick him up, and right away he went to his left side to pull -- i'm sure, the gun, but i couldn't hear the conversation because i was across street in my store, you know. and right away he pulled a gun and he shot twice and the glass splinters almost hit my store across street, and that's when i also ducked behind a coffee table. >> so you saw the suspect pull out a gun? >> yes. i did. he moved towards his left, like he was like slouching, you know? so he moved towards his left and tried to take out something.
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that's the point when the cop took out the gun and he pointed towards him. and it went so fast, it happened in like 15, 20 seconds. >> how close were they to each other? >> close, like, maybe 6 feet, 5 feet. not more than 6 feet. he was right there at the small vestibule. he was standing outside the vestibule, and he was right there, you know? >> and do you -- do you have any idea how long this guy had been sleeping there? i know you only saw him around 9:00 a.m. had he been there much -- >> no, no, he was there since 6:45, i opened the store. he was there. he was sitting on the bench outside when it wasn't raining, at 6:45, and i looked at him and i thought maybe some drunk guy, his hoodie was pulled over his face. and then when it started raining around 8:00, 8:30, he went into that vestibule-covered area, you know? i saw him at 6:45. >> that was the earliest you saw him. and then when -- so they exchanged shots. how many shots was between the first officer and the suspect?
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>> he shot twice, like, one of the shots hit the cop, and the cop, like, ran back towards the brick wall of the building, and he -- the guy got up and they started running towards, and started running towards the parked car and the cop came from behind the suv and started shooting at the suv. and i came out and started yelling at the cop, i said, this is the freaking guy you guys are looking for. i started yelling and he looked towards me and acknowledged me what i was seeing. then he tried to shoot but he doesn't have the clear vision. he can't see him clearly, you know? and he keeps running towards rosul street. and he's not fighting back towards the cops, he's like going forward and fighting and that's when a couple of other cops started pulling him from the other side, you know? >> so when the initial officer came on the scene, it was just police officer in a car?
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>> two police officers. >> one officer came first. he didn't talk. he was just looking at him. and i suppose he was waiting for the other cops to come in, you know? but the second come came, he confronted the suspect. >> and how long would you say this entire exchange from the time the first police officer approached to the time he was actually apprehended, how long do you think it was? >> the second cop came one minute after the first cop, and after that, it only took -- the whole thing took maybe 30 seconds, less than 30 seconds. because once he went towards the door, everything happened so fast, because he -- right away, he went to his gun and he started shooting. he shot two shots, and both the shots went through the glass panel, and the holes are still there. you can see, you know? >> were you ever frightened for your safety? seeing this guy who's wanted by police?
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>> i didn't know at -- in the first minute, i didn't know that he's the guy, but only when i saw his face that time, that the things started like, i had a suspicion that this might be the same guy, you know? yes, i was like shaking a little bit, with you know. when the cop pull out his gun at that point in time, i realized that, okay, this is the guy. i'm sure this is the guy, you know? >> there's a lot of folks who are calling you a hero today. do you feel like a hero? >> no, i'm not a hero, i'm just a regular citizen doing what every citizen should do. whatever you see, you call the cop. cops are the real heros. law enforcement are the real hero, you know? >> there's a lot of people, though, who, you know, have suspicions, but don't actually pick up the phone and dial the police when they have a suspicion. you did that. >> yes, i think everybody should do. that's, when you see something, you should say something, you know? >> harinder bains, it's really a
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pleasure and an honor to talk to you. thank you so much for what you did. you very possibly saved a lot of people's lives. thank you. >> thank you. thank you. >> and as we reported earlier, the two police officers in linden who were injured apprehending the suspect, one, we're told, officer angel padilla, is going home tonight from the office. -- the hospital. officer peter hammer is being held overnight, but both are going to be able to, it seems, pull through this and be okay. up next, we have more breaking news at an attack at animal in minnesota where a man stabbed ten people before he was shot dead. isis has praised the attacker. the latest on what we know next. gary, gary, gary... i am proud of you, my man. making simple, smart cash back choices... with quicksilver from capital one. you're earning unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere.
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at practically the same time 29 people were being treated for injuries here in new york in the bombing in chelsea, others elsewhere were also getting medical attention for knife wounds. victims of an attacker at a shopping mall in st. cloud, minnesota. our breaking news tonight, we now know of ten victims in the brazen crime, a new one just identified when police watched surveillance video. the suspect is dead.
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details from sara sidner. >> reporter: terror in the mall. dispatchers scramble to send help. >> we're taking reports of shots fired and people stabbed. >> we're sending people out to the north side of macy's. >> reporter: by then, ten people had been stabbed. they all survived. the attacker did not. shot dead by off-duty officer, jason faulkner, who's being hailed a hero. according to the surveillance video shows a woman running with child in tow. >> you see him lunge forward with a knife and the officer fire. the suspect went down. he got back up. the officer fired again, he got back up. this was three times. >> reporter: the man responsible, 22-year-old dahir adan. an isis linked news agency tweeted he was one of their soldiers. the fbi is calling the attack an potential act of terrorism, while police are searching for more evidence of a link to isis. as we talk today, i don't have anything to make that
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connection. >> reporter: the attacker worked as a part-time security officer and was wearing his uniform during the stabbing. he lived in this modest apartment complex. minnesota is home to the largest somali population in america. somali community leader abdul khulani spoke to his family and said he lived with his family nearly the entire life. >> was he living with his parents? >> he was living with both parents and members of an extended family was also around, a different apartment. same building. >> did they give any indication that they saw a change in him or that they noticed him watching videos or anything like that, that gave him an indication that he was becoming extreme? >> they haven't told us anything. they were shocked, as everybody was. and they're in disbelief it could happen. >> from speaking to the family, would you say that this young man had assimilated as an american? >> he was as american as everybody else is.
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>> something clearly changed him. he said their son left home saying he was going to the mall to buy an iphone. about three hours later, his family was informed he was dead and many were wounded. >> terror has visited st. cloud and it is our job as members of this community for it not to find a home. >> sara sidner joins us now from st. cloud. there's a newly discovered tenth victim. what do we know? >> reporter: this tenth victim didn't come to police, because he was so lightly injured. he didn't get a chance to tell them, apparently, but police found out when they went inside the mall, they started canvassing, talking to store owners and one of the owners with said, yes, indeed, their employee was hurt with minor injuries, but didn't need to go to the hospital. but the good news is all of the victims have been released from the hospital. and lastly, i want to let you know what happened to that officer and why he was in here, you know, on his day off. the off-duty officer was inside the mall, buying a gift, because it was his child's birthday. he ended up saving a lot of lives and a lot of folks here
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are very thankful for that. >> again, another heroic action by a police officer in this. sara sidner, thanks. this kind of crime by a suspected self-radicalized individual seems to be on the rise. with me again, paul cruickshank. look, we have seen a number of naturalized american citizens of somali origin, most often going back to mogadishu, elsewhere in somali, somalia, joining up with al shabaab. i think the first american suicide bomber overseas was somali. >> that's right. we saw that last decade. but in more recent years, we've seen a number of individuals from the somali community in the minnesota area, try to go and join isis in syria and iraq. it's the most significant recruitment pipeline that they've seen in the united states. there have been 11 that have been charged so far. some actually made it all the way to join isis in syria, and
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this concern they've been using social media from there, to connect back with radicals in the united states. but this individual seems to have been an all-american kid, well integrated. he had a job as a security officer. so we still don't know how he became radicalized. >> that's the thing that's so important to point out. obviously there's got to be tough screening of anybody coming to the united states, but so many of these attacks we're seeing in the united states are from -- and people who have plotted attacks and been arrested, are from people who grew up here, who came here as children, you know, were raised here, lived here for 20-odd years and then do this. >> absolutely right. >> we've seen a whole bunch of these kind of cases. we've also seen a significant number of converts, who have got involved in trying to go off to join isis in syria and iraq or terrorism plotting, as well. but i've got to say, you know, tonight, americans are asking, where are the trend lines growing?
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is it growing more dangerous or less dangerous in the united states. and i've got to say, the trend lines are actually have been quite encouraging this year compared to last year. we've seen a significant drop-off in the number of americans trying to travel to join isis in syria and iraq. and we've also seen a significant drop-off in the number of americans being charged in terrorism cases. it may not seem like it tonight, but the trend lines are encouraging. isis, there's evidence that it's beginning to lose its luster when it comes to followers in the united states. the vast majority of american muslims absolutely, profoundly reject this ideology. >> paul cruickshank, thanks for being here. coming up, new surveillance video we've just gotten. a law enforcement official says this is the bombing suspect less than an hour before the explosion in chelsea. the latest on that. also ahead, the election, 50 days away. the way the candidates handle this aftermath. we'll take a look at what hillary clinton and donald trump are saying. where we explore. protecting biodiversity.
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duffel bags down the sidewalk. this is 7:30 saturday night. the explosion happened one who hour later. now to politics, the first presidential debate is one week away. the election 50 days away it is putter more scrutiny in what hillary clinton and donald trump are saying in the week of bomb scares. >> a new test for hillary clinton and donald trump, on a collision course over who's better equipped to be commander in chief and has better judgment trump seizing on the afghanistan born suspect to make an immigration argument. >> let me state clearly, immigration security is national security. >> reporter: clinton accuses her rival of fuelling hate. blasting his call to ban muslims from the u.s. >> we know that a lot of the rhetoric we heard from donald trump has been seized on by
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terrorists, in particular isis. because they are looking to make this in to a war against islam. >> reporter: with the election in 50 days voters sending mixed signals on the qualities of trump and clinton. asked who's a decisive leader trump leads by eight points. as for who has the temperament to serve as president, clinton holds a wide 20-point advantage. both candidates reacting in realtime to fast-moving developments in the bombing investigation on the streets of new york and new jersey and multiple stabbing at a minnesota mall. all being investigated as acts of terror. trump taking to twitter under the leadership of obama, clinton americans have experienced more attacks at home than abroad. >> today trump answered the call. >> what we need is four more years of obama but worse.
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>> it's not grounded in fact. it's meant to make some kind of demagoguic point and the facts are clear. >> it is an open question how the attacks and terror threats there influence the presidential race, or whether they will at all. clinton uses the moment to remind voters of her experience. >> i'm the only candidate in this race who's been part of the hard decisions to take terrorists off the battlefield. >> trump making the case his message of strength is needed to make the call for change. >> anyone who cannot name our enemy is not fit to lead this country. >> strength and security already pillars of the presidential campaign now have a greater sense of urgency, anderson. with six more days before the first debate taking place here in new york. this all will cast a pal here.
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donald trump will make his immigration argument, including tomorrow as he campaigns in north carolina. hillary clinton is basically off the campaign trail preparing for the first debate. she believes she's on the right side of the argument with her experience and strength. donald trump is presenting himself as the candidate of change here. if the electorate is fearful, the candidate of change often is the one they go. anderson, this will be front and center next monday night at that debate. >> jeff zeleny, thank you very much. joining me is david axelrod, former senior adviser to president obama. two different responses from trump and clinton. how do you see it playing out the next couple of weeks? which response resonates with undecided voters at this point? >> first of all, one thing that i've learned over the years of being involved in these things, the next couple of weeks is an eternity. there maybe intervening events
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h. generally speaking, i will pick up on jeff's last point. donald trump's basic script is that america is kind of gotham city and he is batman coming to save us from all of the bad guys. it's a visceral appeal. it's rooted in fear. when things like this happen, he's going to seize on it to make that point. hillary clinton has an entirely different approach, which is to say i have been will, experienced and have the temperament to deal with these things in a responsible way. this is one of the problems that trump has faced. you get in to these focus groups and what you hear is people worry about his temperament in dealing with these sensitive grave mortal issues that presidents have to face and she's counting on people turning to her as being the more responsible of the two. that's the way the debate will play out. >> to jeff's point, donald trump
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has the advantage of saying, look, people want change. an people are fearful. if you vote for hillary clinton it is more of what you have had the last eight years. he
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>> went after collin powell. and that is his habit. people worry about that they worry about a guy. there is a point at which strength becomes something other than strength. and it becomes reactivity in a way that makes people uncomfortable whenner thinking about a president of the united states. so he has to show in these debates that he has the temperament to handle these kinds of grave responsibilities. >> you know, i mean everyone thought, or a lot of people thought going into this election clinton's strength might be these kind of moments, tests of national security. and yet it's not really clear who comes out of this with, you know, with the lead politically speaking. >> with, aell, i don't think we know for a while anderson. as you can see in the polls, they are muddled in terms of where people place their confidence. i think we will have to wait and into how this plays out to see
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that does it for us. we'll see you tomorrow. cnn tonight with don lemon starts now. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >> captured, the suspect in this week's bomb attacks in custody tonight as the candidates battle over how to fight terror on the home front. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. more questions than answers about the man who investigators believe planted deadly bomb attacks in new york and new jersey. was he acting alone, how did he choose his targets? does somebody know more than they are seeing. cnn's drew griffin is in nunl where the suspect was captured. jim sciutto is with me. jim i'm going to


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